Collecting some examples
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I'm building a list for analysis. I need twenty or so good universes of any fictional variety that have a bunch of persistent, politically relevant factions with different cultures and/or goals. Help me out?
Things that are good examples:
Avatar: the Last Airbender
Babylon 5
City of Heroes
Defiance
Discworld
Dune
Most well-constructed Dungeons and Dragons universes
Erfworld
Feng Shui
Game of Thrones
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
Any White Wolf universe (including Trinityverse)
The Wire
Things that probably aren't good examples:
Star Wars-- it basically boils down to Rebels, Imperials, and Criminals. There are a bunch of alien races, but they all more or less fall into one of those categories. See also Firefly.
Doctor Who-- you get to see a lot of different cultures and factions, but the ones that show up multiple times are usually just villains or backdrops. Designed as an exploration/showcase rather than an integrated universe. See also TOS and to an extent TNG.
Harry Potter-- the universe has some breadth and depth, but the story as told essentially boils down to everyone-versus-the-bad-guys. The different strengths of the good guy alliance are largely irrelevant. See also Lord of the Rings.
Fables-- this actually goes too far into motivational territory, where every individual character has an agenda and even people nominally in the same group have only surface-level common ground. See also most superhero universes, Justified, Once Upon a Time, and Amber.
Things that are good examples:
Avatar: the Last Airbender
Babylon 5
City of Heroes
Defiance
Discworld
Dune
Most well-constructed Dungeons and Dragons universes
Erfworld
Feng Shui
Game of Thrones
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
Any White Wolf universe (including Trinityverse)
The Wire
Things that probably aren't good examples:
Star Wars-- it basically boils down to Rebels, Imperials, and Criminals. There are a bunch of alien races, but they all more or less fall into one of those categories. See also Firefly.
Doctor Who-- you get to see a lot of different cultures and factions, but the ones that show up multiple times are usually just villains or backdrops. Designed as an exploration/showcase rather than an integrated universe. See also TOS and to an extent TNG.
Harry Potter-- the universe has some breadth and depth, but the story as told essentially boils down to everyone-versus-the-bad-guys. The different strengths of the good guy alliance are largely irrelevant. See also Lord of the Rings.
Fables-- this actually goes too far into motivational territory, where every individual character has an agenda and even people nominally in the same group have only surface-level common ground. See also most superhero universes, Justified, Once Upon a Time, and Amber.
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Date: 2014-07-27 07:39 pm (UTC)ETA: Also also, L5R and 7th Sea. Both universes I've meant to explore for a while but can't vouch for.
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Date: 2014-07-27 09:23 pm (UTC)Or (and I feel sheepish mentioning this) the Stargate collection of TV series.
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Date: 2014-07-28 01:26 am (UTC)Usagi Yojimbo
Girl Genius (maybe--not sure there are enough with enough definition and differentiation, though I think there are in the world. There are at least 4 big ones.)
(Also, while trying to come up with the name of one more, I suddenly realized I was thinking of Saga.)
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Date: 2014-07-28 09:15 am (UTC)Darkover might be a good call. Do races other than the humans and the Chieri get any real play? Or are there multiple factions within a given race, which would be unusual and nice?
GG may very well qualify, from what I know of the setting. What are the factions in UY?
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Date: 2014-07-28 08:26 pm (UTC)UY: Man, I need to not suggest things I haven't read in a while. There is at least one clan of Ninja's that gets a lot of play, there is a couple different families that show up frequently (one of which I suspect plays heavily in the couple books beyond where I've read given the groundwork being laid), there is the big bad guy group. The Shogun himself is barely there, it's more people working around his court. I think there are a couple other clans of ninja's that are recurring. There are also the bounty hunters, but those are probably too loose & every man for himself for you. I don't know if they are different enough cultures--they are all in the samurai culture, but they approach it differently. I should reread those and I might have a better answer.
GC I could have done better on if you'd asked. England (at least in frequent passing), Hetrodynes (and even moreso the Jaegers and Mechanicsburg citizens since the Hetrodynes themselves are down to one person raised outside), Storm King, and Wulfenbach are the big ones who get play.
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Date: 2014-07-28 03:55 am (UTC)I may come up with more later, because brain is failing me.
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